What do you get if you cross an Australian vicar, a comedian from south-east London and several bottles of Sainsbury's cheapest Merlot? That's right, it's the latest episode of The Scummy Mummies Podcast!
Joining Helen and Ellie this time are their dads, Tim and Jim. They talk grandfatherhood, politics, dogs and the secret to having a long and happy marriage. Well, a long marriage.
And finally there's just time for some Scummy Mummy Confessions. Do send yours in via email - email@example.com - or Facebook. We're on Twitter too: @scummymummies
Thanks for listening! Grandads, we love you.